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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist Among Us and

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sometimes they win even the devil was an

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angel once the world has its own rules

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rules are not human

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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of experienced

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investigators and writers and

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researchers uh Ken Gerhart is a

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cryptozoologist field investigator for

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the center for Fortune zoology as well

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as a fellow of the panagia Pangea

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Institute and consultant for various

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research groups he has investigative

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reports of Cryptids and mysterious

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animals around the world including

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Bigfoot the Loch Ness monster the

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Chupacabras

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uh Mothman Thunderbirds and werewolves

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in addition to co-hosting his history

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channel series missing in Alaska

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has appeared in dozens of television

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episodes his credits also include

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appearances on several news broadcasts

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Coast to Coast AM as well as being

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featured in various books DVDs and in

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articles by the Associated Press Houston

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Chronicle on Tampa Tribune uh Ken has

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contributed to trade Publications

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including fate magazine animals and Men

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Cryptid culture the Journal of British

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Columbia scientific cryptozoology club

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and Bigfoot times

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uh Ron Murphy the crypto Guru has been

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investigating the stuff in nightmares

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for over 30 years

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is delved deeply into the shadow to shed

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light on the things that uh go bump in

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the night and meticulously researched

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the historical and psychological context

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of myths and legends from around the

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Ron seeks to uncover the archetypal

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precedent Frank monsters that haunt our

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and a witness to a living pterosaur

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author illustrator biblical paranormal

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researcher Jason McLean as authored and

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Illustrated numerous books including how

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UFOs and Bigfoot prove the Bible is true

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and Metroplex monsters he can be found

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weekly on zero papers and Texas front

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porch channels on YouTube where he

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discusses cryptozoology ethology

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forbidden archeology and the Paranormal

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so guys thank you so much for joining me

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this evening

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hey Elon my pleasure being here my

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hey how are we doing

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involved with wing Cryptids flying

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had encounters some of us have written

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Ken's been writing about

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Thunderbirds and a lot of the uh

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strange flying Cryptids throughout the

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world and particularly in Texas and uh

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Thunderbirds as well in Pennsylvania and

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other places and of course Jason had a

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pterosaur counter at one point

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um I um let's go ahead and start off

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there let me start off with Ken so what

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makes flying Cryptids it's I mean

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I know it's a favorite of mine I mean

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you know I have been

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delving into the Mothman and and for a

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long time and um it's something I had an

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encounter it's something that is

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dear and near to me

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uh in your case you have been talking

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Thunderbirds flying witches and all

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kinds of other things in between so what

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makes what makes all these uh flying

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you know what makes it stand out in the

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kind of gets all the press and attention

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and of course uh uh you've got things

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like Mothman is pretty popular but you

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terrestrial or aquatic so uh we're all

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fascinated with things that Zoom through

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the air I suppose uh in my research over

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that there are essentially three basic

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types of winged encrypted reports that I

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receive and I've interviewed dozens of

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eyewitnesses of each type but you have

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the traditional Thunderbirds which

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described as having feathers and all the

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avian features hooked beak and you know

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least twice as big as anything that's

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that's known today uh the second

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category of course is going to be the

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living pterosaur type which you know

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people definitely delineate and say know

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these things are not Birds they're

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reptilian looking they you know leathery

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wings and some of the classic pterosaur

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features like head crests and RAM Franks

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tails and things like that and then the

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the flying humanoid and I personally

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lump in some of these weird Chimera

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types of things like gargoyles and uh

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bat Squatch and you know all those types

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of things that don't really fit into the

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fossil record or the natural world they

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seem to be more like spectral kind of

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really weird anomalies so those are the

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three types that I've investigated like

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you know they seem to be worldwide

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Thunderbird is more of a seems to be

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more of a North American phenomenon we

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don't get a lot of those big bird

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reports around the world we do get the

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living pterosaurs worldwide we get the

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flying humanoid gargoyle types worldwide

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and uh yeah uh I look forward to

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speaking addressing each of these and we

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can talk about the pros and cons and

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different aspects of them that make them

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how about you Ron what do you think

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about that you know one of my favorite

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things about these particular creatures

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is the cryptozoological element to them

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so we talk about things a lot of times

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like Bigfoot and you know the Loch Ness

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monster but whatever comes to a lot of

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these flying Cryptids

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um we know that they have existed

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somewhere in the fossil record right

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like so as a crypto is all just this is

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truly an investigation into the

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Zoological I think I'm like really any

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other equipments that are out there

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because we have a lot of information on

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these huge play System Birds uh right up

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until the time of these flying lizards

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during the uh the era of the dinosaurs

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so that's what's so particularly

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um you know it doesn't involve

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interdimensionality it doesn't involve

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UFOs it doesn't involve any of this

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stuff these are just creatures seeming

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to be out there doing their their

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natural thing in the world today and

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they should not be there

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they Relic are they Throwbacks or are

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they some type of Supernatural or

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interdimensional uh corset

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interdimensional award comes up a lot

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and uh and uh you know what do you think

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Jason you had a pterosaur type sighting

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at one point right well I mean it didn't

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stop to tell me its life story

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um but you know I'm I'm with Ken I like

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the delineation and again with Ron I

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like the donation between what I would

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call Natural Cryptids which from my

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perspective appear to be Relic

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populations and then the supernatural

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stuff which is again something else

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um I like the I mean interdimensional is

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just another it's just a Star Trek word

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for Supernatural paranormal right these

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are all the terms that we're trying to

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come up with to say this is something

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that's not part of our natural existence

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so I do I like how Ken broke that up

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because there do seem to be normal

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Zoological animals that are just they

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they appear out of context for our

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expectation right now I would point out

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you go back a thousand years

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people they were unusual but they didn't

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see them as outside of their context

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it's us with our modern Viewpoint that

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says oh they're out of context because

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we've created a narrative and I think

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that's one of the reasons there's so

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much resistance to pursuing a lot of

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natural Cryptids particularly something

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and if that's what these that's what

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some of these Thunderbirds Are is that

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they break a narrative that uh that a

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lot of people made a lot of money off of

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and a lot and have a lot of degrees in

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but again the supernatural stuff we we

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don't have the you know the spookatron

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get a good reading on a Mothman or a

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gargoyle per se to really test it so I

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am a bigger fan of like the natural

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things because you know what maybe you

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get out there with a butterfly net one

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day and boom you got yourself a

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pterosaur you know

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and uh and then you can actually poke it

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with a stick and find out what it is and

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and I like that idea

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yeah uh and of course with those of us

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who have had encounters it's uh

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you know you have to live with it and

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try to explain it and in my case I I I I

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I can make my own judgment as to what I

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think it was but who knows I mean

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now can you of course you have been

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looking into a lot of this

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this weird and unexplained winged beings

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for years and I always go back to the

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flying witches

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phenomena that that was I think that was

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there where you were at you actually did

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a a video down there and uh what the

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hell was that though it wasn't winged it

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was flying whatever it was people were

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seeing

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but you know of course in in Texas where

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you're from there there have been a lot

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of these pterosaurs and a lot of these

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Thunderbirds and a lot of winged

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creatures that just really aren't

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explained what do you make of all this

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yeah well uh as you reference in 2009

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um there was an uptick in sort of

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Mothman type reports in northern Mexico

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and so I did that episode of Monster

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Quest where they sent me down there and

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strangely a couple couple of strange

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things

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um this was during I think a SARS break

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uh breakout so when I arrived at the

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airport in Monterey everyone had like

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the masks on and it was like it's kind

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of kind of weird that you have these you

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know people have always speculated about

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these things up here you know during you

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know disasters and famines and things

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like that but um I did get to interview

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a police officer named Leonardo

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Samaniego who lives in Guadalupe just

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south of Monterey and yes he did in

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January of 2004 while on patrol in the

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middle of the night claimed that a

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flying witch with giant black libless

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eyes and a black hooded Rove flew

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through the air onto the roof of the

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windshield of his police car

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and he blacked out and uh shortly

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thereafter was taken to the hospital and

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you know it made pretty big news in

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Mexico and that's one of the things

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things I really enjoy about doing

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research in Mexico is unlike here where

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these types of stories are relegated to

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kind of the tabloids and the the kind of

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smirky you know human interest stories

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something like this a flying witch in

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Mexico is like headline news

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people are like so yeah but yeah what

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I'll say is that my interview with uh he

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doesn't speak he didn't speak English so

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we had a translator but I mean he was

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literally like breaking down and sobbing

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and this is a pretty tough guy that

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worked in a pretty a pretty tough job in

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a rough neighborhood uh there on the

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outskirts of Monterey and so he was that

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was very profound in terms of you know

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as he was reliving this how effective he

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was but I was showing some other videos

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that were shot around that time in that

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neighborhood

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um they had a UFO investigator involved

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named Santiago uturia and he showed us

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some videos of you know they were kind

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of similar to the one you just showed

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there the which I think was later

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debunked but um so yeah that's kind of a

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you know again I've kind of put those

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personally in the kind of the

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supernatural as Ron called the

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Jason the supernatural you could say

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interdimensional some people say demonic

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I think all of that is just perspective

353
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but um those are some of the weirder

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cases of kind of flying humanoid

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type creatures

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um whether that connects to Mothman owl

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man and some of these other Wing weirdos

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around the world it's you know who knows

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it's all speculation right so if the

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bruja brouhaha yeah

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you know you gotta love the you gotta

362
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love the Latin American Press though my

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God they come up with some real gray

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ones great stories

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um

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and you're right they don't sugarcoat it

367
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either they they put it out there it

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it's very rarely frowned upon until

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we've translated and people up here just

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think what the hell is going on down

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what's wrong with these people but uh

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yeah

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absolutely and they you know you have

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the European influence of this the

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Spanish people but then you also have

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the indigenous you know Maya Aztec you

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know kind of lineage there and I think

378
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all of that makes

379
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it's just a different perspective on how

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they view this this phenomenon

381
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well I mean it's it's a culture that

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that still has and actively Embraces

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things like curanderas right uh and

384
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that's which is a for those who aren't

385
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in the know

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they're not really shamans per se but

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it's this incred it's sort of a

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syncretic religious view where it has

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part Cat part Catholicism part low you

390
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know sort of indigenous tribes part

391
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Voodoo things like that and essentially

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it's like a witch doctor usually they're

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female but I mean they're considered a I

394
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mean acceptable by most of the people

395
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and and they're accessed by most people

396
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you know it's not it's not this weird

397
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Fringe idea necessarily uh so I mean

398
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it's a culture that still Embraces the

399
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supernatural it Embraces the odd it

400
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doesn't have this very

401
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disney-fied lab you know laboratory view

402
00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:07,560
of reality so that's why there's a more

403
00:16:12,769 --> 00:16:09,720
open conversation with stuff like about

404
00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:12,779
these kinds of topics

405
00:16:17,389 --> 00:16:15,060
yeah you know it's interesting when we

406
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started working on the uh

407
00:16:22,129 --> 00:16:21,120
the wink humanoid sightings up in um in

408
00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:22,139
Chicago

409
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I was you know of course we had a lot of

410
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Latin American Hispanic Witnesses uh

411
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that you know that were making these

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reports and I was getting contact from

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people down in uh

414
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uh down to Rio Grande area and talking

415
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about lekusa and uh you know other

416
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things that were traditional and um of

417
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:44,759
course we heard it from up in Chicago

418
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too so

419
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yeah there I mean when it comes to these

420
00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:51,120
type of creatures or

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this or whatever you want to call them

422
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uh of course it was very real to them uh

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it's uh it kind of puts a whole new

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perspective on it and um

425
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you know I I still don't know what we're

426
00:17:07,970 --> 00:17:06,240
doing with in Chicago to be honest with

427
00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:07,980
you I mean you know are these Summit

428
00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:10,140
beings are these are these natural some

429
00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:13,140
type or are they coming from somewhere

430
00:17:18,590 --> 00:17:16,380
that we have you know no concept or no

431
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:18,600
realization what it really is or why

432
00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:21,360
they're coming or why they're showing up

433
00:17:26,569 --> 00:17:25,380
so you know yeah it was even that's I

434
00:17:28,730 --> 00:17:26,579
mean again one of those things that

435
00:17:30,409 --> 00:17:28,740
makes it even more complicated is what

436
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,419
again when you start when you step into

437
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:32,640
that more that sort of other Veil you

438
00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:35,520
know reality kind of creatures are they

439
00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:37,860
taking forms that we would expect or

440
00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:40,260
that they are that somehow is acceptable

441
00:17:45,049 --> 00:17:42,059
to our culture are we affecting how

442
00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:45,059
these Supernatural things manifest so

443
00:17:47,630 --> 00:17:46,200
that's that's even a whole other

444
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:47,640
question like you said do we know if

445
00:17:51,490 --> 00:17:49,440
they're summoned are they natural are we

446
00:17:53,930 --> 00:17:51,500
even seeing their natural forms are they

447
00:17:55,549 --> 00:17:53,940
choosing different forms because they

448
00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,559
want to or because it's something that

449
00:18:00,110 --> 00:17:57,960
we're acceptable like it's it's a

450
00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:00,120
because again we don't have some way of

451
00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:02,940
objectively observing the phenomena and

452
00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:04,620
testing you can't just walk up and poke

453
00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:07,080
and Mothman with the stick and be like

454
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,299
so what's up you know you could I mean

455
00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:11,760
yeah you could I mean I wouldn't advise

456
00:18:17,409 --> 00:18:14,760
that but it'd be interesting to see what

457
00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:17,419
happens yeah yeah yeah

458
00:18:21,789 --> 00:18:20,220
but as Ken said earlier so much of this

459
00:18:24,409 --> 00:18:21,799
does require

460
00:18:26,330 --> 00:18:24,419
some sort of cultural background

461
00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:26,340
knowledge the idea of synchronization of

462
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:28,980
different cultures kind of merging

463
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:31,440
different ideas into one and even though

464
00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:32,880
in Mexico we're dealing with an

465
00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:34,860
indigenous culture and a Roman Catholic

466
00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:36,780
culture thrust upon it there's just a

467
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several hundred years in the making sort

468
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:39,419
of

469
00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:41,760
um even in America you know even even

470
00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:44,100
around the states up around here we

471
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:46,980
still have preconceived notions about

472
00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:49,679
what is out there okay and I think that

473
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a lot of these times whenever people are

474
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seeing things there's a

475
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misidentification based purely on their

476
00:19:02,090 --> 00:19:00,600
um their objective outlook on the

477
00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:02,100
surroundings okay yeah

478
00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:04,860
um I do a lot of Investigations in areas

479
00:19:10,490 --> 00:19:07,500
that are um the suburbs of Pittsburgh

480
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you know suburbs of a major city

481
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um and uh Stan Gordon he he with with

482
00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:15,480
you know relentlessly puts out a

483
00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:17,340
Thunderbird report maybe once a month

484
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,260
about these these creatures being cited

485
00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:22,320
and uh one site is in Greensburg which

486
00:19:26,690 --> 00:19:24,120
is about 17 miles down the road from me

487
00:19:29,930 --> 00:19:26,700
and this is a suburb of Pittsburgh I

488
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,940
mean this is a big place okay so uh this

489
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:32,400
one area uh where these creatures are

490
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:34,500
being seen all the time I decided I was

491
00:19:38,090 --> 00:19:36,240
going to investigate

492
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um at the time this was going probably

493
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:39,780
back seven or eight years

494
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:41,880
at the time there was probably about two

495
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or three acres of pretty wooded area

496
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,080
Okay

497
00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:48,240
um as soon as I entered the woods I

498
00:19:52,010 --> 00:19:50,520
found evidence of turkey everywhere not

499
00:19:54,289 --> 00:19:52,020
only feathers but I actually got to see

500
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a few of them around as well so I think

501
00:19:58,610 --> 00:19:56,039
whenever you're dealing with these kind

502
00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:58,620
of sightings especially from people that

503
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,360
are coming from areas that they're not

504
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,640
used to seeing these things and maybe

505
00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:04,320
some of them had some sort of cursory

506
00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:06,539
interest in the Paranormal all of a

507
00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:08,760
sudden see something with a five foot

508
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,100
wingspan that they can't explain that

509
00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:13,200
immediately becomes a 10-foot wingspan

510
00:20:18,049 --> 00:20:15,900
of a creature that is supposedly be you

511
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:18,059
know extinct for six million years

512
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um the other thing that I find so

513
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:20,400
interesting

514
00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:23,940
is right near that area is also a bit of

515
00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:25,380
Marshland

516
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um you know we we like to save as much

517
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,580
as we can so that means about a little

518
00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:31,200
you know about a football-sized piece of

519
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Marshland right there

520
00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:34,440
um but bald eagles have returned to the

521
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area and Osprey has returned to the area

522
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:38,460
and one of the things I keep

523
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:40,620
encountering whenever I do

524
00:20:45,289 --> 00:20:43,260
um investigations into Thunderbirds is

525
00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:45,299
the great blue heron right these

526
00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:47,940
wonderful teachers and whenever you even

527
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,160
before you encounter them they make a

528
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:52,440
very almost amphibian type of call right

529
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:54,360
it's like a squonk and it's kind of it's

530
00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,340
a very weird call it sounds like a

531
00:21:01,250 --> 00:20:59,100
bullfrog on steroids okay yeah and

532
00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:01,260
oftentimes you hear that before you see

533
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:03,720
it and whenever it takes it up take you

534
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:05,460
know it takes off it takes a bit of time

535
00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:07,320
to get up off the uh off of the ground

536
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:09,059
we're looking about a seven foot

537
00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:11,820
wingspan here and as uh Kennen said

538
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:13,500
before you know the ramp for rinkus

539
00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:14,820
whenever we talk about that very

540
00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:16,860
particular tell well the legs on these

541
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:18,900
creatures are so long it looks as if it

542
00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:22,320
has a very reptilian hell behind it so I

543
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,299
think a lot of these things are are

544
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,160
misidentified creatures more than

545
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,620
anything now what are we doing with the

546
00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:30,240
other five or ten percent out there that

547
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,240
we can't categorize as misidentification

548
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:35,280
and that's where the true mystery comes

549
00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:37,320
in and that's where the true research uh

550
00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:39,000
then takes hold

551
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:41,340
yeah to your point uh I don't know if

552
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,780
Ken's heard this story but it was a

553
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,120
couple years ago uh here in Dallas we

554
00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:47,039
had a woman just to reinforce your your

555
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:49,020
thought here Ron we had a woman in

556
00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:50,400
Dallas call saying that there were two

557
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:53,700
tigers prowling around uh the Lower West

558
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:56,520
End uh and the cops got there and it's

559
00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,620
just two Bobcats right because the

560
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:01,020
summer had been dry and this made it

561
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:02,820
made the news everyone's like how I'm

562
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,980
like how do you mistake Bobcats for a

563
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:07,200
tire but Ron to your point

564
00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:10,740
it again it most a lot of people now and

565
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,780
they don't understand the natural world

566
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,120
anymore they've never been out in it and

567
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,980
so it's very so I agree with you I think

568
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,940
there's a lot of stuff that's

569
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,799
misidentification and just to take into

570
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:21,840
the crypto Zoological World half the

571
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,720
people say well I saw you know a windigo

572
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:27,840
or I saw a a skinwalker how do you know

573
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:30,360
that's what you actually saw right so

574
00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:31,860
it's like we have to we have that

575
00:22:36,169 --> 00:22:34,440
conflict but on to but you make a great

576
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:36,179
point about the Blue Heron again it was

577
00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:38,100
my encounter you know Ken I've talked

578
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,780
about this before I thought it was a

579
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,460
blue heron at first

580
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,500
I would have thought it was a blue heron

581
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,840
had I not I had not gotten so close to

582
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,520
me where I could see that it's like oh

583
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:49,919
this is not a heron right and that's

584
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:51,179
actually been one of my theories right

585
00:22:55,549 --> 00:22:53,159
is that I think a lot of people just

586
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:55,559
they don't recognize is the very

587
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:59,520
specific Ram franktoid uh kind of tear

588
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:00,600
you know pterosaurs that are still

589
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,340
running around I think a lot of times

590
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:04,559
people aren't recognizing recognizing

591
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:06,059
them for what they are because they look

592
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,700
so much like a blue heron right they

593
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,620
look so much like this sort of in their

594
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,720
coloration and they're flying that most

595
00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:14,760
people just they don't even recognize

596
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:16,679
them for what they are but I agree with

597
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:17,700
you I think there's a lot of

598
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:19,380
misidentification I think a lot of times

599
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:22,020
they're also being like the actual weird

600
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,460
things are being identified or

601
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:26,100
misidentified as normal things

602
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:28,500
um and so again it makes it really hard

603
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,640
to know

604
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:32,100
to map out where are these things coming

605
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,200
from and going to what is their

606
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:36,000
migratory patterns

607
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:39,000
um because there's that confusion

608
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,919
between what's you know what's a

609
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:42,419
legitimate sighting and what isn't

610
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,059
because all we have is this well I saw

611
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:47,580
this okay you can extrapolate some

612
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:49,380
things from it but ultimately it's that

613
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,679
person's uh you know perspective and

614
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:54,900
like you said you have then you have

615
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:57,480
cultural expectations what they've seen

616
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,679
in movies right this is all in someone's

617
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,600
head it's going to shape how they're

618
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:05,700
seeing this thing that they see for 10

619
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:09,299
seconds 30 seconds a minute right so

620
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:10,860
yeah it's it's definitely complicated

621
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:14,700
but it the fact is they're there and

622
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:17,100
I I think we've got a great group of

623
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:18,360
people running around actually trying to

624
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:20,039
investigate this absolutely just

625
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:21,960
phenomena now now I do have a question

626
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:23,460
for all of you gentlemen here and I'll

627
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:25,140
be a little bit of the devil's advocate

628
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,760
here and I'm sure that Ken has a great

629
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:28,679
answer for this as well too because I

630
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:30,299
admire this man very much I got to tell

631
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:31,380
you just you know just my little two

632
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:33,059
cents right here so you know getting

633
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:35,400
started in this field I always looked up

634
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,260
to Ken because he always has a very

635
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:39,120
rational outlook on these things okay

636
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,919
and I remember as a young guy that's

637
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:42,360
getting my start on here he was very

638
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,700
very kind to me so he will always be uh

639
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,980
the guy that I admire so I can anytime I

640
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:48,900
share any kind of stage with you or

641
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:51,179
screen with you I'm very very pleased I

642
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,860
will say that but I do have a question

643
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:54,000
for you guys

644
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:55,820
and that is

645
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:58,919
evolutionarily speaking if there is

646
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:02,000
indeed a carryover from the end of the

647
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,260
Cretaceous Period

648
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,080
do you think that Evolution would have

649
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,120
Frozen it in such a way that it still

650
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,120
appears the way one of 65 million years

651
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,120
ago or would it necessarily have had to

652
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,460
adapt itself into something into some

653
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,260
sort of form far different from what we

654
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,120
know from the fossil record seeing that

655
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:23,400
it is a uh you know terrestrial being

656
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,500
right or you know uh something you can

657
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:27,840
take flight would it necessarily have to

658
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:30,360
evolve into something differently in

659
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:32,220
order to maintain that Niche which

660
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:35,340
within its environment

661
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,320
what are you think Ken

662
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,080
um well that's a great question Ron as

663
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:41,940
always very thoughtful

664
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,720
um yeah so Evolution always have is

665
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:47,520
continually happening in every species

666
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:49,260
on the planet it just happens at

667
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:51,240
different rates depending on how animals

668
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:54,179
are adapting to their environment or

669
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:55,260
whether they've already found their

670
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,500
niche as you so eloquently explain

671
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:00,600
a lot of what we know about the

672
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:03,299
pterosaurs is purely speculation because

673
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:05,340
it's all based on fossils where they're

674
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,580
found uh you know the morphology and

675
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,860
things like that so any paleontologist

676
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:12,600
worth his salt will tell you that you

677
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:14,100
know they're really just guessing you

678
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:15,900
know it's a speculation what pterosaurs

679
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:19,020
were like during the Cretaceous now

680
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,059
the Earth has obviously changed quite a

681
00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:23,460
bit over the past 65 million years we've

682
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,320
gone through several different epochs

683
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,260
with warming cooling water levels going

684
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,200
up and down and then the great glacial

685
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:33,120
events of the pleistocene so it

686
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,940
obviously if there were a lineage of

687
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,679
living pterosaurs

688
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,360
alive today

689
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:42,000
they would have adapted and evolved a

690
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,340
lot through that time period as well and

691
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:46,080
subsequently what we have today is

692
00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:47,820
basically a

693
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:49,980
highly evolved descendant of those

694
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:52,679
lineages during the Cretaceous so that's

695
00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:54,659
you know scientifically that's that's

696
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:56,940
the best way you could hypothesize about

697
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,159
that now there are obvious Zoological

698
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:02,159
issues with that hypothesis mainly why

699
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:04,980
aren't they being seen more often uh you

700
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,620
know where are they living exactly since

701
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,240
it seems like the reports seem to be

702
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:11,039
stemming from all over the place from

703
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:13,380
Georgia to Canada to you know it's not

704
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:15,059
like they're I mean we used to think of

705
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:16,980
just like New Guinea you know that makes

706
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:18,659
sense if they're in some remote jungle

707
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,100
but now they're like flying over Atlanta

708
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,500
so you know where these things living

709
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:24,720
you know why aren't people finding nests

710
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:26,760
or more physical evidence why hasn't

711
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:28,919
anyone found a dead one you know or or

712
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:32,279
fossil evidence newer than 65 million

713
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:33,900
years ago there's no evidence that they

714
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:34,980
survived

715
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,900
you know beyond that boundary at the end

716
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:38,760
of the Cretaceous

717
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:41,100
um so it's a great mystery but um you

718
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:42,779
know it's not totally impossible and

719
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,279
that's why it's fun to sit here and kind

720
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:46,200
of speculate it talk about I mean Jason

721
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,419
is convinced he's seen one I've

722
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,340
interviewed dozens and dozens of people

723
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,260
that are very I consider to be very

724
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:54,779
credible and like Jason and very skilled

725
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,059
observers that said no I know what I saw

726
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,279
so it's you know it's kind of hard to

727
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,159
refute that that evidence I think

728
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:04,440
um and we can kind of circle back around

729
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:07,020
to the The Feathered Thunderbirds but I

730
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,100
would just like to point out that

731
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:10,080
zoologically speaking you could make a

732
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:11,940
much stronger argument for the existence

733
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,460
of those giant pleistocene birds that

734
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:15,960
Ron was talking about earlier the

735
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,120
territorins or you know something like

736
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,919
that that was only like 10 or 11 000

737
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,080
years ago which is like a drop in the in

738
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:24,240
the bucket compared to 65 million years

739
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:27,960
right so um but you know the same issues

740
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,299
apply in terms of where are these things

741
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:32,580
why don't we have giant feathers and

742
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,919
eggs and you know more sightings and

743
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,720
things like that so it's a great mystery

744
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:38,820
either way you know either of these

745
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:41,340
winged Cryptids that have more of a kind

746
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,700
of a natural Zoological form you know

747
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:47,039
how it's not impossible these things

748
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:49,559
survive from you know prehistoric times

749
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,200
but how and where are they and you know

750
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:53,760
why can't we get better evidence at this

751
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,279
point yeah and that's a huge question

752
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,080
that's where the woo comes in isn't it

753
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,299
because if these creatures are indeed

754
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,360
you know applying our skies to this day

755
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,760
um there are people with binoculars to

756
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,159
the sky over every migratory birdway in

757
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:10,620
in America you know

758
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,179
um these things would probably be caught

759
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:15,120
up on radar at the local airport

760
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:16,740
um and uh of course you know you would

761
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:19,740
find feathers or as I've said before one

762
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:21,179
of these things are bound to poop on

763
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:22,980
somebody's car right and you take them

764
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:24,539
to the shop and your windshields crack

765
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:25,799
because something pooped on your

766
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,740
windshield so so if these are biological

767
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,200
animals they have to do biological

768
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:33,600
things right they have to Nest someplace

769
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,700
they have to have enough range where

770
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:37,440
they're you know they have to have a

771
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:38,700
territory

772
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,260
um and the other thing is they need to

773
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:41,520
eat

774
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,020
um and you know whenever we think about

775
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:45,240
these great large birds you know these

776
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,820
are most you know opportunistic feeders

777
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:50,039
uh and they're going to eat carrying and

778
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,059
they're going to eat things like along

779
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,460
the road you would assume uh I remember

780
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:56,279
one time on a Bigfoot hunt

781
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,960
um I was deep in the woods I mean

782
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,480
surprisingly deep in the woods and I was

783
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,120
very scared because I spooked up a bald

784
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,880
eagle that was in very very thick

785
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:08,340
underbrush that was feeding off a dead

786
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:10,020
deer you know so these things have to

787
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:12,299
eat and people would I would assume come

788
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:13,860
upon them I mean there are places in

789
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:15,659
Alaska I'm sure you know one of these

790
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:17,460
things could probably stay hidden for a

791
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,320
great number of years but whenever they

792
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:20,960
start showing up you know around cities

793
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,580
that's when it becomes a little bit more

794
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:25,679
difficult to explain away

795
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,200
well so two points and again I don't

796
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,279
want to get too far I feel because I

797
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:31,320
think you got a great question

798
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:33,299
um as far as the time frame again I

799
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,860
don't think there's been 65 million

800
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:36,720
years between when these things were

801
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,720
traditionally seen versus today I think

802
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:41,279
we're in the we're looking the order the

803
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,840
magnitude of thousands of years that's

804
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,700
an entirely different conversation that

805
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:46,320
being said I do think they've adapted

806
00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:47,880
since when we would call the age of the

807
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,580
dinosaurs because most Ram Frank just

808
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,140
you know that we that we have discovered

809
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,899
so that is that there's that asterisk is

810
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,940
only you know the largest we've seen is

811
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,260
about eight to ten feet as far as the

812
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:01,080
wingspan goes now again most ones that

813
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,960
I've of the people I've spoken to mine

814
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,460
included you know they said it was

815
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:08,820
between eight to ten feet so this is not

816
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,520
so large that it would stand out for a

817
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,919
lot of people right now that being said

818
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,600
there are accounts of pterosaurs that

819
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:17,460
seem to be much larger that still have

820
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:20,220
around REM franktoid tale that may be

821
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,020
indicative that they have changed they

822
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,419
have adapted to a very different

823
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:26,220
environment again we we don't have

824
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:28,620
enough data to know to your point though

825
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:30,360
why are we seeing these some of these

826
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:32,520
things around cities because in our

827
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,720
heads it's like well they're out in the

828
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,919
middle of nowhere it would make sense

829
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,480
that nobody sees them

830
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:38,700
I think we have two points one is very

831
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,159
very small populations right I mean

832
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,679
think about black bears there's 500

833
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:45,600
there's at you know estimated to be over

834
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:48,059
550 000 black bears in the continental

835
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:49,620
United States

836
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:51,480
that's a lot of black bears but we don't

837
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:53,460
see them at you know on every street

838
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:55,140
corner they try to stay away from us

839
00:32:00,049 --> 00:31:57,899
most animals do we see these things when

840
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:00,059
they cross into our world when things uh

841
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,679
you know one of the concepts I put in my

842
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,720
last book was the green wall

843
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,000
we live on on these little concrete

844
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:07,200
Islands we drive on these little

845
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:09,980
concrete Bridges and we we've manicured

846
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:13,080
nature where to such a point where

847
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:14,820
there's a nice little green wall that

848
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,159
separates us and the natural world

849
00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:19,799
pretty much everywhere we go so unless

850
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:22,500
these things come into our world most

851
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:23,640
people aren't going to see them and as

852
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,620
we were talking about earlier uh with

853
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,600
the with the REM franktoids it does

854
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,460
appear that they're similar enough to

855
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:31,679
cranes and herons when particularly when

856
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,380
they fly most people who are so busy on

857
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,299
these damn things

858
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,220
they they don't recognize them for what

859
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:40,020
they are when they do see them we're you

860
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:41,039
know one of the questions that gets

861
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:42,360
asked about Sasquatch is well what if

862
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,039
it's just you know a misidentified bear

863
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:46,500
well I asked the opposite how often this

864
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,320
Sasquatch misidentified as a bear

865
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,840
right we we have there there's a lot of

866
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,720
assumptions to Ken's point the vast

867
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
majority of people are not trained

868
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,080
observers right they're running around

869
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,200
living their lives their mechanics or

870
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:03,120
their butchers their Bakers or their

871
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,299
investment you know whatever uh they're

872
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:08,399
not they haven't spent in fact before

873
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,720
the show what was one of the things

874
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:11,460
we're talking about most people don't a

875
00:33:14,529 --> 00:33:12,659
lot of people don't even know where food

876
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,539
comes from anymore

877
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,620
you know it goes back to the story of

878
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:18,360
the of the two Bobcats this woman

879
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,039
thought were tigers

880
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:23,519
we've as a population over the last 70

881
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,799
years we've become very very separated

882
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,960
from the natural world so

883
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:30,120
things just people wouldn't recognize

884
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:32,580
them for what they were honestly and if

885
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,200
we're dealing with things with a very

886
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,480
very low population

887
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,240
we wouldn't see them very often you know

888
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,240
there are people who are trained they

889
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:44,159
you know zoologists who are trained to

890
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,659
look for Wolverines that is their

891
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:47,820
specialty this is a known creature we

892
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,080
know their habitats we know what they

893
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,820
eat we know what they're you know their

894
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:52,620
their how they program we know all these

895
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,840
things they will go out for the entire

896
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:57,840
season and not find one Wolverine

897
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,299
you know uh I always one thing I always

898
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:02,159
point was the original Blue Earth or

899
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:04,679
what was it blue whatever the the BBC

900
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:07,380
documentary that was just gorgeous

901
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:10,800
there was like three to five minutes of

902
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,399
snow leopard film right it took them

903
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:17,280
three years to get that film

904
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:19,020
because and this was these were people

905
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,760
who were fully funded with thousands of

906
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,859
dollars of film equipment going out for

907
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,679
months over three year time frames just

908
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,599
to get a few minutes of film of these

909
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:28,560
creatures

910
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:34,020
and because they're just as such a low

911
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:35,399
population it's hard to get them well

912
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,839
what we have with a lot of these things

913
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,639
are probably very very low populations

914
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,460
and no one's being paid to go look for

915
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:43,740
them most of the time

916
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:45,300
and if you have if you don't have

917
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,919
something that's spectacularly out of

918
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,080
the norm they're not going to be seen

919
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:51,659
but also let me uh this is not a

920
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,919
combative thing but let me say let me

921
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:55,200
come back to the the feather thing for

922
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,960
like the territories bothers me a lot

923
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,660
right I mean I can I can give you the

924
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,400
grover Krantz thing for Sasquatch and

925
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:04,200
I've got theories on that but I'm still

926
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:07,080
like where's the five foot feather

927
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,940
for the you know for this territoring

928
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,560
that's you know got a wingspan the size

929
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,920
of a bus right why hasn't why haven't we

930
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,240
found one of those

931
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:17,280
and I've got I've got stories of

932
00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,900
lechuses

933
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:20,579
which would be about this you know the

934
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:21,720
wingspan would be about the same size

935
00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:23,400
I'm like well this is clearly not a

936
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:26,579
naturally existing creature right a an

937
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:28,260
owl the size of a human with a human

938
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,900
face that's not that's not something

939
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,880
that's going to be showing up in a zoo

940
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:35,040
anytime soon that's a clearly

941
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,020
Supernatural thing we've I've got so

942
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:39,540
many stories like that I do question

943
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:42,359
reinforcing your point that made that

944
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:44,339
what if a lot of these you know

945
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:45,900
particularly you know the the larger

946
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:48,200
Bird stories are

947
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:51,720
paranormal right maybe they are Wu more

948
00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:56,930
no I just I just won't write them all

949
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:59,220
off because I and and you know until we

950
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:01,140
know until we can definitively prove

951
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,520
something I'm like you always have to

952
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:04,200
leave open the door there is a territory

953
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:07,079
running around somewhere just um you

954
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:08,820
know

955
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,700
feathers land somewhere and Decay and

956
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,560
they just stay where we aren't you know

957
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,359
we like to think we're everywhere but we

958
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:17,400
aren't I had Blue Jays that lived in my

959
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:19,260
in the house I grew up in

960
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,540
we had Blue Jays every year I only saw

961
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,880
you know if I were to gather all the

962
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,320
feathers I ever found I couldn't put a

963
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,420
blue jay back together that's over 20

964
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,240
years right it's not like these things

965
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,760
are are going to lose their feathers in

966
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,680
a place that's convenient for us to find

967
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,480
and maybe people have found these things

968
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,920
but they're like yeah I don't want to

969
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:39,119
deal with that I don't want to talk

970
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:40,380
about that

971
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:41,820
I don't want to be the crazy guy that

972
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:44,460
found the seven foot feather

973
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,680
you know

974
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,480
no I think those are all very very good

975
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,700
points I truly do which is interesting

976
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,320
when we talk about things like the

977
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,960
Thunderbird because so much of this is

978
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:57,300
coming from First Nation reports and

979
00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:58,680
legends right now oh yeah we're not

980
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,300
really dealing with something in the

981
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:02,400
present necessarily but we're dealing

982
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,859
with a Remnant or a shadow of something

983
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:07,079
from the distant past that may have just

984
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,000
been brought over even across the Bering

985
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:11,040
leverage for all that we know but the

986
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:12,780
idea Within These certain Native

987
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,220
American cultures of first Asian

988
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:16,619
cultures is that these birds did it at

989
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:18,839
one time live and I think that we are

990
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,940
seeing cultural memories into the past

991
00:37:25,089 --> 00:37:22,740
on a lot of different things whether

992
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:25,099
we're talking about Bigfoot or or

993
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:27,540
wolf-like creatures that we call dog men

994
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,880
or uh you know these kind of flying huge

995
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:31,800
birds that we cannot explain away I

996
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:33,960
think we are seeing cultural recognition

997
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:36,300
of these creatures that may still not

998
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,980
you know may not be with us any longer

999
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:39,540
but they still exist within our

1000
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:41,400
imagination because of these folk

1001
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:42,480
memories

1002
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:45,300
I have that's a great Point Ron I have a

1003
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:47,579
question and an answer for that whole

1004
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,579
they don't necessarily go together okay

1005
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,320
so

1006
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,119
in terms of my question because when

1007
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,980
people try to make an argument as far as

1008
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,140
like things like Thunderbirds being kind

1009
00:38:02,089 --> 00:38:00,240
of paranormal or other Cryptids that

1010
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:02,099
have kind of natural

1011
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,579
uh Zoological forms why aren't people

1012
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:07,680
reporting encounters with woolly

1013
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,339
mammoths and Tyrannosaurus Rex and all

1014
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:12,720
there were millions of species that

1015
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:14,339
lived in the past but it always seems to

1016
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,220
be very specific types

1017
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,079
of these Cryptids that people have

1018
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:21,359
reported around the world

1019
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,859
um and there typically are three major

1020
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,780
types of Cryptids that are reported

1021
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,880
right you have the hominins things like

1022
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:29,520
Bigfoot Sasquatch Yeti kind of the the

1023
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,020
hairy eight man archetype you have the

1024
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:36,720
uh aquatic which are typically like

1025
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:40,260
Serpentine sea serpent messy type things

1026
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:42,900
and then you have like the wing Cryptids

1027
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:44,099
and I guess you could make a fourth

1028
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,480
category for things that are more like

1029
00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:48,000
Predator like carnivore type things like

1030
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:50,099
black panthers and werewolves and things

1031
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,960
like that now there's a physical

1032
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:53,460
Anthropologist by the name of David

1033
00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:56,099
Jones who put out a interesting uh

1034
00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:58,140
hypothesis a few years ago about dragons

1035
00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:00,180
you know Dragon lore is widespread all

1036
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:01,440
over the world it's kind of the most

1037
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:03,540
common mythological creature that you

1038
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:04,920
can find that virtually every culture

1039
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:08,820
worldwide dragons generally are a mosaic

1040
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,880
of three different primary archetypes of

1041
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:14,579
animals snakes

1042
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:18,060
big cats and things with wings like big

1043
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:21,240
birds a lot of the Dragon architecture

1044
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:22,619
in the world kind of combine those three

1045
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,320
elements and the theory is that the

1046
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:28,079
reason for that is because these are all

1047
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:30,060
major Predator groups that preyed on our

1048
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,540
ancestors for thousands of years and as

1049
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,400
the human brain evolved we basically

1050
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,339
invented this super Predator archetype

1051
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,140
which is the dragon which has all of

1052
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:42,180
these different features okay I know I'm

1053
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,560
Meandering a little bit so I'll try to

1054
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,839
bring it back around so please Meander

1055
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:48,180
what if

1056
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,180
these certain Cryptid archetypes are

1057
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:54,060
somehow related to if we're if we're you

1058
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:55,800
know discussing the possibility like Ron

1059
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,420
says that this is kind of a cultural or

1060
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,700
a psychological sociological phenomenon

1061
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:01,380
is it possible that these three

1062
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:03,800
archetypes of the Harry eight man

1063
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,260
The Aquatic sea serpent lake monster

1064
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:10,020
thing and then you know the Thunderbirds

1065
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:11,940
or the winged Cryptids for whatever

1066
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:14,339
reason those archetypes are prevalent in

1067
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:15,780
terms of what people are think they're

1068
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:18,839
seeing because you know they basically

1069
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:21,180
carved out a specific

1070
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,460
you know place in our unconscious minds

1071
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,980
through you know interactions with them

1072
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:28,079
over thousands of years which are

1073
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,880
probably pretty scary right these are

1074
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,260
all things that are trying to eat us as

1075
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,599
I guess or kill us or eat us right or

1076
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,000
we're competing with them so you know

1077
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:38,280
that's a that's a possibility if we were

1078
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,500
going to kind of you know tag that on to

1079
00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:42,359
Ron's theory about a cultural phenomenon

1080
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,980
is there there could be a reason that

1081
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,540
these certain archetypes are being seen

1082
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,280
but the other side of the coin is that

1083
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:48,960
you can also make a pretty good argument

1084
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,820
in terms of like the Thunderbirds The

1085
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:53,040
Feathered ones you know I have a

1086
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,839
database that I've been working on for

1087
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:56,820
years with all you know hundreds of

1088
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,440
these Thunderbird reports they're pretty

1089
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:01,200
darn consistent uh the average wingspan

1090
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:03,060
described is 14 feet these are just

1091
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:04,740
estimates and people are not very good

1092
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:06,420
necessarily at judging the size of

1093
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,099
things in the air but some people over

1094
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,040
us estimate but 14 foot seems to be

1095
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,260
pretty consistent virtually all the

1096
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:14,880
color patterns are described as being

1097
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,000
either black gray or dark and sometimes

1098
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,440
brown but you never hear about other

1099
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,660
color patterns and a lot of the birds

1100
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:22,980
that we were talking about earlier like

1101
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,339
herons and storks and cranes have very

1102
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,680
colorful plumage with white stripes and

1103
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,300
you know trim and different things that

1104
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:32,579
are you kind of stand out

1105
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,740
um and you know the hooked beak kind of

1106
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:36,960
a Raptor or an acceptorid type of bird

1107
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:38,940
so that's one thing that I found kind of

1108
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:40,320
interesting going through my Thunderbird

1109
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,599
database is seeing wow these

1110
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:44,760
eyewitnesses are pretty darn consistent

1111
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:46,320
in terms of the physical descriptions

1112
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,839
they don't deviate too much from that

1113
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,420
basic description which I think is a you

1114
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:53,760
know a pretty fair argument if we're

1115
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,320
going to flip the coin and say well

1116
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:57,780
maybe it is a surviving giant surviving

1117
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:04,970
yeah no I'm I'm with Ken well to to that

1118
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:08,640
point I think again in with Ron honestly

1119
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,579
we need to we do need to take things

1120
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,520
like psychology and folklore we need to

1121
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,440
we need to put all that in the mix

1122
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,520
because I don't think it's necessarily

1123
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,000
an either or answer right

1124
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:22,440
we as humans again as an artist one

1125
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:24,359
things I've I've trained myself and

1126
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,420
spent decades on is how do human beings

1127
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:29,880
see things right I'm actually more of a

1128
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,740
minimalist in my art I like the idea of

1129
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,200
trying to say how little information can

1130
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:36,900
I give you and see what you and and

1131
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:39,500
still have you see this image right

1132
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,599
humans see things in in very specific

1133
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:45,359
ways so I think we I think would be

1134
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:46,740
foolish to rule out things like

1135
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,060
archetypes and uh cultural expectations

1136
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:52,380
because I think that's absolutely part

1137
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,640
of it

1138
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,560
um and again when you start getting into

1139
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:57,300
the woo stuff I think there's not I

1140
00:43:02,569 --> 00:42:59,640
think the line between psychology and

1141
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,579
the Supernatural is not as hard and fast

1142
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,800
as we'd like it to be there's a lot of

1143
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,240
gray area there and I think there's more

1144
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,160
interplay than we would like than makes

1145
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,619
us comfortable right particularly in the

1146
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,440
west we like this idea that things

1147
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,660
we can put things in these little boxes

1148
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:17,460
and we know exactly which box it goes

1149
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:19,619
into we can close the lid and be done I

1150
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:20,940
think some of this stuff doesn't

1151
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:23,220
necessarily lend itself to our current

1152
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:24,780
understanding to be able to put it in a

1153
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,940
box like that and our attempts to put

1154
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280
them in boxes is ultimately the problem

1155
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,440
and what's actually leading to us not

1156
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,780
moving forward in some of these uh

1157
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:35,520
conversations and some of some of these

1158
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:37,079
subjects is the Box itself that we're

1159
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:38,099
putting them in

1160
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:41,460
but that being said to Ken's point there

1161
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,339
are consistencies across cultures and

1162
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:46,859
across centuries of particular

1163
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,800
descriptions that do with specific

1164
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,140
details that defy

1165
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,760
something that you could be easily

1166
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,040
chalked up to cultural

1167
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,099
expectations and even mirrors like you

1168
00:44:04,329 --> 00:44:01,260
know you know Collective unconscious

1169
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:04,339
material kind of things uh or you know

1170
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:08,280
some in deeply ingrained genetic fear of

1171
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:09,960
of predators

1172
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:11,460
I think there I don't think you can

1173
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:12,599
discount some of that but I think

1174
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,339
there's some details and stories again

1175
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,040
like the the tales a dragon tail right

1176
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,160
that we sort of have culturally embedded

1177
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:22,800
has a very definitive point when it

1178
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,520
starts in artwork and you you you see

1179
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,260
certain overlaps certain fine details

1180
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,660
going back to the pterosaur that really

1181
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:32,880
the easiest the Occam's razor

1182
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:35,579
explanation is people ran across this

1183
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,839
creature

1184
00:44:40,990 --> 00:44:39,119
in the past they've run across them for

1185
00:44:43,609 --> 00:44:41,000
centuries which is why they're they say

1186
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:43,619
these specific details like the you know

1187
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:46,680
a diamond-shaped flanged tail bat like

1188
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,640
wings long necks you see them in the

1189
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:52,319
ancient world you see them in medieval

1190
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:55,380
artwork you see them today if I'm seeing

1191
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,540
people from different cultures and

1192
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,180
different eras seeing the same details I

1193
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,680
think Occam's razors there's a real

1194
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,720
creature that they're running across

1195
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,960
but again I do think we need to take

1196
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:10,020
these ideas of psychology cultural

1197
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:11,460
expectation and say look this is

1198
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,900
something we got to put on the table and

1199
00:45:16,569 --> 00:45:14,400
if we really want to have an honest

1200
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,579
conversation

1201
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:18,660
yeah I think that everybody needs to

1202
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:20,040
have an honest conversation that's a

1203
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:21,780
good point I think that um the

1204
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,880
Zoological field you know mainstream

1205
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,440
science really does need to have more of

1206
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,599
an open mind uh concerning these things

1207
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,640
we shouldn't be talking about this on

1208
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:31,079
the periphery this should be something

1209
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,000
that's brought up all the time and

1210
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:34,920
normal everyday discussion I I've said

1211
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:36,359
these things before

1212
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:38,099
talking about these kind of things

1213
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:39,960
should not be relegated to a podcast

1214
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:41,160
this should be studied at a university

1215
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:42,540
level you know people should be talking

1216
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:44,520
about this stuff but as you said Jason

1217
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:46,500
because we do not have them pinned down

1218
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:49,560
on a on a laboratory table and we have

1219
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:52,380
not put them into a category yet uh they

1220
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:54,599
are still non-existent until we can do

1221
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,760
such a thing because in our ultimate

1222
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:58,560
hubris we have to kill it in order to

1223
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,119
examine it in order to figure out what

1224
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,400
it is so we can put a name on it okay

1225
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,380
but no I do believe it I think that we

1226
00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:06,119
should keep open minds I think we should

1227
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:07,940
have constant dialogues

1228
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,680
the way I look at these things

1229
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,960
as until somebody shows me differently

1230
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,119
I'm going to believe they are Flesh and

1231
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,220
Blood animals at least whenever comes to

1232
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:20,160
the idea of these flying you know flying

1233
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:22,619
uh or winged uh uh monsters whatever

1234
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,599
they are you know uh so that's the

1235
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,400
reason why I don't wait to go too much

1236
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,800
into the woo on these things because I

1237
00:46:31,609 --> 00:46:30,119
really want to see them and you know

1238
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,619
that's my own personal preference as

1239
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,480
well too I would really like to see

1240
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,280
these creatures as Flesh and Blood

1241
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,619
creatures but someday we could study and

1242
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:39,839
admire

1243
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,260
I'm gonna uh go ahead and start asking

1244
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:45,839
some questions from the chat

1245
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:47,160
um

1246
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,099
here's an interesting one because uh you

1247
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:52,859
know it's near me and

1248
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:56,099
had myself stuck in the Pine Barrens on

1249
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:59,160
occasions looking for weird things uh

1250
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,660
Marla I asked you any of you believe

1251
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,060
that the Jersey devil may be more than a

1252
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:08,750
who wants it I'll take it

1253
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,660
um

1254
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,760
so okay this is the Jersey Devil's

1255
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:13,020
actually a great

1256
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,700
sort of one of these points where

1257
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,760
folklore psychology and and then a real

1258
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,400
thing I think actually intersect right

1259
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,859
um because a lot of what people have in

1260
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:24,240
their heads as to what the Jersey Devil

1261
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:26,819
is what it looks like comes from a

1262
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,060
drawing that was made by a by an artist

1263
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,520
in Philadelphia based on the New Jersey

1264
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:35,040
event right broad daylight people see

1265
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:36,060
this thing

1266
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:37,980
the artist didn't take the event too

1267
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:40,500
seriously he and what he did

1268
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:42,839
is that he drew the descriptions

1269
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:46,560
literally right head of a deer bat-like

1270
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:50,280
Wings bifurcated tail he he took them

1271
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,540
literally he did not take the

1272
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:53,880
descriptions seriously

1273
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:55,800
and if you sort of take the problem is

1274
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,240
we've seen that image it's been born

1275
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,880
into our heads so we think that's what

1276
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:01,920
this thing is it's this weird bat deer

1277
00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:03,000
creature

1278
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,520
but if you take the descriptions

1279
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,660
seriously but not literally because

1280
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:08,520
these are people who saw something

1281
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,460
they're unfamiliar with and they're

1282
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,980
trying they're looking for things

1283
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,920
put touchstones that allows them to sort

1284
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:18,720
of make sense of what they saw

1285
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:20,220
I would argue they are describing

1286
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,780
something very similar to Iran for

1287
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:24,240
actoid pterosaur and one of the key

1288
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,980
giveaways is the fact they all said it

1289
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,079
was a it was a bifurcated Tale

1290
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,900
that's you know they even the word devil

1291
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:32,700
showed up a few times that's where the

1292
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:34,140
word even where the name Jersey Devil

1293
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,940
comes from is that tail

1294
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:38,160
the devil's tale that we sort of see

1295
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:41,339
with Nightcrawler or you know drawings

1296
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:43,500
of Old Scratch from you know the

1297
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:46,980
Victorian age right all that comes out

1298
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:51,000
of the connection to this sort of late

1299
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,540
medieval heraldry of wyverns right

1300
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,880
that's where that that fork tale sort of

1301
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:59,280
comes from in heraldic artwork

1302
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,619
again I'll shorten this argument because

1303
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:03,780
it's a long one but that comes from

1304
00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:05,640
these Ram fractoids in fact the ram

1305
00:49:09,309 --> 00:49:07,319
fractals are one of the few species that

1306
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:09,319
had sort of this long you know flying

1307
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:12,839
pterosaurs that had these flange tails

1308
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:14,520
it's one of those things where again

1309
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,460
people weren't taking the descriptions

1310
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,720
seriously they just took them literally

1311
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:20,940
well if you put that together just look

1312
00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:22,260
at that drawing and say okay well hold

1313
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,839
on this artist was just trying to he

1314
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,819
didn't take it seriously he was just

1315
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:28,859
literally recreating it

1316
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:31,319
well if you someone told you that and

1317
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:32,520
said well hold on that sounds like a

1318
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,380
pterosaur because we're more familiar

1319
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,660
with with these ideas and these Concepts

1320
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,160
and we're going to take that story

1321
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,079
seriously

1322
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:42,480
and one of the things I always one of

1323
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:43,980
the reasons I do like the ram fractal

1324
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,180
would answer is

1325
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,700
again it connects to things we've seen

1326
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,920
for centuries before and we're seeing

1327
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:51,540
the modern day there's a through line

1328
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:52,740
there

1329
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:55,380
right so again I do think the Jersey

1330
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,720
Devil is a real thing I also think that

1331
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,339
the problem is we then have folklore

1332
00:50:04,569 --> 00:50:02,400
that's built on top of it right and so

1333
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:04,579
the problem is we we we're taking these

1334
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:06,420
folklores and we're taking some of these

1335
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:08,819
other stories we're cramming it all in

1336
00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:10,260
this box

1337
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:11,819
and what we need to do is just reopen

1338
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:13,380
the box and re-examine everything from

1339
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,700
from the beginning and say okay well

1340
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,380
what's actually reasonable to associate

1341
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:18,240
with this

1342
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,339
well you know

1343
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:22,500
there's something definitely out there

1344
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:25,560
in the Pine Barrens in New Jersey uh I

1345
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:27,240
don't know what it is I've had police

1346
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:29,339
officers and pretty

1347
00:50:34,329 --> 00:50:32,339
trusted Witnesses come forward and tell

1348
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:34,339
me about things they've seen in the past

1349
00:50:40,569 --> 00:50:37,319
I I get I still get them

1350
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:40,579
um oh in fact and you know

1351
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:43,560
this this being or the description of

1352
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:45,180
this being didn't even start in that

1353
00:50:49,609 --> 00:50:46,859
part of New Jersey I actually started

1354
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:49,619
down Eastern Shore Maryland it moved its

1355
00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:50,700
Way North

1356
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,200
uh before Mrs Leeds had her so-called

1357
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:56,700
devil child

1358
00:51:03,410 --> 00:50:59,579
um but there were sayings down you know

1359
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:03,420
in colonial times of um of these these

1360
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,500
so-called

1361
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:06,599
whatever they called them back then in

1362
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,500
Maryland but no I I do get a lot of uh I

1363
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:12,240
do get a lot of sightings of these

1364
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:14,220
things and um

1365
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,540
you know I don't know people's

1366
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,460
imagination is getting ahead of their

1367
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:20,400
logic but you know there have been

1368
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,960
several police officers who have

1369
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,760
contacted me over the years about seeing

1370
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,040
these things

1371
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,260
oh absolutely and again it goes back to

1372
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,020
we then also have to say because I do

1373
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,420
think a lot of times and we see it here

1374
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,040
in Texas particularly with like you know

1375
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:37,740
the goat man Bridges right the problem

1376
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:39,780
is again multiple phenomena being put in

1377
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,940
the same box are being put into the same

1378
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:44,040
moniker that's also a thing we kind of

1379
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:46,980
have to look for is are we seeing maybe

1380
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:48,900
two different phenomena being combined

1381
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,280
particularly if you get the Paranormal

1382
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:52,319
stuff sort of mixed into it but no

1383
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:54,300
you're again it goes back to

1384
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,800
I see the question about the Hammerhead

1385
00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:57,119
bat because that's been thrown out there

1386
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,160
a lot for the Jersey Devil is the

1387
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,200
Hammerhead bat and I think it's a very

1388
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,540
poor uh

1389
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,760
I I understand why because of the the

1390
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,160
face but it's a very I think it's a poor

1391
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:10,920
answer because there's a they're they're

1392
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,800
just not nearly large enough that you

1393
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:15,240
know compared to what people describe

1394
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,780
they don't have long tails also and they

1395
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,079
would die exactly yeah yeah I mean

1396
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:24,839
they're they're strictly Niche tropical

1397
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:28,800
subtropical species humid rainforests

1398
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,900
and yeah gallivanting through the snow

1399
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,700
in New Jersey and Pennsylvania in

1400
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,800
January that does not does not sound

1401
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,079
like a hammerhead bat to me of course

1402
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:38,640
you know when you get any type of

1403
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:43,800
sighting that even mimics at all

1404
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:47,160
a creature that lives in the tropics uh

1405
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:48,119
you're going to get some people they're

1406
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:49,619
going to come up with that and say well

1407
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,059
you know maybe there was a student

1408
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,240
nearby got away or whatever you know you

1409
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:55,980
hear you hear all kinds of weird stuff

1410
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,880
yeah the the the Train the zoo train or

1411
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:01,680
the circus train wreck and it's like

1412
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,440
yeah man if all these

1413
00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:06,300
you'd expect that like no one would have

1414
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:08,819
put circuses on trains considering how

1415
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,400
many accidents had to have occurred to

1416
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,839
account for all of these different

1417
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,579
sightings it's like

1418
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,220
it was like I'm sorry I'm not a big fan

1419
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:18,960
of Amtrak but they've got a better

1420
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:21,900
rating than this yeah you know

1421
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,119
that's a good point Jason they the very

1422
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:25,920
first time that a circus train rag oh

1423
00:53:29,530 --> 00:53:28,020
well we lost some gorillas in a 30-foot

1424
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:29,540
snake okay

1425
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:32,040
that'll spawn some Legends but I guess

1426
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,540
maybe we shouldn't do that again well

1427
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,800
isn't that just isn't that the reason

1428
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,020
why we've got so many skunk Apes down in

1429
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,880
mayaka and down there because there's a

1430
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:40,680
circus train that cracked open or

1431
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,980
whatever I mean for a hurricane that uh

1432
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:46,020
hit a pet store or something to that

1433
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,079
effect but uh you know I I've heard that

1434
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,260
excuse a lot of times too so um well the

1435
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,300
Tarzan movies too right supposedly yeah

1436
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,119
bunch of monkeys and things escaped so I

1437
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:59,040
wouldn't you know of all the and I know

1438
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:00,780
we shouldn't get off Wing Cryptids here

1439
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,420
too much but you know I've I've seen at

1440
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,040
least one video that was shot in the

1441
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:06,720
green swamp that was clearly a

1442
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,819
chimpanzee running around feral or

1443
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,800
something years ago so yes to some

1444
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,020
degree I think you do have probably in

1445
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,240
Florida some some pretty you know maybe

1446
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:17,579
a hammerhead bats and whatever else but

1447
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:20,220
no it is about the Jacksonville devil so

1448
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:21,540
yeah

1449
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,119
well we've got him here in Texas too I

1450
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,359
mean again humans one of the things

1451
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,240
we're very bad at is bringing non-native

1452
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,819
species into new areas and just losing

1453
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:36,000
track of them and again I'm starting the

1454
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:36,839
discount for some of these

1455
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:38,940
misidentifications absolutely I'm right

1456
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:40,140
there with you

1457
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:41,640
I just don't think it counts for all of

1458
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,380
them

1459
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,760
yeah and there are some that they just

1460
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:46,980
can't again what I saw the thing was

1461
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:48,900
five feet from me this wing tip was five

1462
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,440
feet from my face I'm like I okay what

1463
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,920
Hammerhead bat you know that I'm I would

1464
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:57,119
like I would be like that's a weird

1465
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:00,059
looking bat you know it's it's like some

1466
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:02,220
of these encounters are within yards or

1467
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,500
even feet sometimes in Broad Daylights

1468
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,000
like you can't write that off as

1469
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,640
somebody's escaped Capuchin you know

1470
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:10,559
they're like no it was a 10 foot tall

1471
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:12,900
you know ape-like creature it was a

1472
00:55:15,790 --> 00:55:14,819
whatever you know there's a point where

1473
00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:15,800
you're like

1474
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,059
you know we're bad about some things but

1475
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:20,099
I don't think we're bad about miss you

1476
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,380
know some zoos like oh we had this one

1477
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:24,720
rare bipedal ape that some sort of weird

1478
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,579
mutation that we happen to lose and

1479
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:31,069
um

1480
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,180
and but you know you when you look at it

1481
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:35,760
now we're talking about winged Cryptids

1482
00:55:39,309 --> 00:55:37,980
um there just do seem to be certain

1483
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:39,319
States

1484
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:44,400
that that do have seem to have more of

1485
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:46,260
these sightings and than other places

1486
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,819
Texas is one Utah Indiana Illinois and

1487
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:53,160
Pennsylvania seem to be well in a few

1488
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,839
down in Florida but these seem to be the

1489
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:56,640
areas where a lot of this stuff turns up

1490
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:59,460
I have had so many settings of pterosaur

1491
00:56:01,849 --> 00:56:00,420
like

1492
00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:01,859
creatures

1493
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:04,460
in Utah and Texas

1494
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,800
uh that in even up in Illinois of course

1495
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,599
since all this stuff's been going on in

1496
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:11,280
Chicago of course a few of these have

1497
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:12,359
turned up

1498
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,980
uh why is that is it is it that people

1499
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:19,319
believe that they are there probably

1500
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:23,400
from the Lord the indigenous people are

1501
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:26,900
are people really seeing something

1502
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,460
I think it's a combination of a lot of

1503
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,140
things I I know that I do a lot of

1504
00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:33,119
folklore investigation into the

1505
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,339
Appalachian area and I know like with

1506
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:36,960
things like the snelligaster in West

1507
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,140
Virginia and other parts uh it's folk

1508
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,660
war that traveled over from you know uh

1509
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,460
us to Scots Irish and just took hold

1510
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,559
here in America and they adapted some

1511
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:48,359
other things with it and became its own

1512
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:51,000
form of folklore in and of itself and

1513
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:52,079
that's one of the fascinating things

1514
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:54,180
about studying cryptozoology for me as

1515
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,520
well too not so much the animals but the

1516
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,260
way the people perceive these animals

1517
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:00,000
and the way they talk about them and

1518
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:02,220
with it with the way they come to life I

1519
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:03,740
think a lot of times

1520
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,300
investigating that gray matter of your

1521
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,700
mind is just as fascinating as going

1522
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,440
into the green forest and looking for

1523
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,180
things I I think there's a lot of things

1524
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:13,920
lurking around in those minds of ours

1525
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:15,480
that are quite scary in and of

1526
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:17,099
themselves but I think it's a

1527
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:18,540
combination of a lot of things I think

1528
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:20,940
that also when you look at these areas

1529
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,119
there is native populations of certain

1530
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:26,480
types of creatures that could be

1531
00:57:32,809 --> 00:57:30,359
explained Away by you know projecting

1532
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:32,819
another encrypted onto them uh places

1533
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:36,240
like um uh West Virginia have a large

1534
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:38,579
indigenous population of turkey vultures

1535
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:40,020
you know these kind of things now I'm

1536
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:41,819
just saying that you know we have

1537
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:45,000
instances within these cultures of large

1538
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:46,680
flying birds or certain types of

1539
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:48,300
reptiles or certain types of animals

1540
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,020
that could easily translate into this

1541
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:54,480
this monstrosity that was brought to uh

1542
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,059
the new world uh from a uh from the

1543
00:58:01,790 --> 00:57:59,280
Scotch Irish or whatever ethnic uh

1544
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,800
immigration that took place

1545
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,079
like for instance the um the Albert

1546
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,480
witch out there in uh Columbiana County

1547
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:08,579
in Pennsylvania you know there's a lot

1548
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:11,099
of research stating that um whenever the

1549
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,260
the um people emigrated over here from

1550
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:16,319
places like Germany uh they took their

1551
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:19,680
background and projected it onto the

1552
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:22,260
Bigfoot folklore of that area and you

1553
00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:24,260
have to pray in all by itself something

1554
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,780
relatively unique so uh yeah I think I

1555
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:28,920
think a lot of that stuff is going on

1556
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,660
but as you said again before Jason

1557
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,160
though that doesn't explain everything

1558
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:34,319
away that's a great looking to

1559
00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:36,420
Linguistics and the way Linguistics can

1560
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:38,579
form reality with the human mind but

1561
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:40,260
that doesn't work in a way everything

1562
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:43,380
yeah I'm a huge fan of the wharf severe

1563
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:46,619
hypothesis and you know it's one of

1564
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,700
those it's one of those things that you

1565
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:49,680
learn you you you read about in college

1566
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:51,059
you're like holy cow and you start

1567
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:52,440
getting into it again

1568
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,559
the mind is is an amazing thing that we

1569
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:57,119
again it needs to be a big part of this

1570
00:59:00,829 --> 00:58:58,920
entire conversation

1571
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,839
um but as to your question about the

1572
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,599
folklore uh aspect I have I have two

1573
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:05,280
points one

1574
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,780
one things we we always have to remember

1575
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,880
we can see we only are seeing these

1576
00:59:16,730 --> 00:59:14,040
things where we happen to be

1577
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:16,740
right and it's very easy for us to

1578
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:19,020
confuse where we encounter them as to

1579
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:20,700
where these things are native to or live

1580
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:22,260
you know they may just be passing

1581
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,559
through where we happen to be and that's

1582
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,599
where we encounter them so that's always

1583
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:29,700
one one sort of aspect of it but to your

1584
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,540
point

1585
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:32,339
yeah I mean there does seem to be a

1586
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,540
propensity for these things to be seen

1587
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:35,520
in the west and the folklore is there

1588
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:37,740
and it's easy for us to say the folklore

1589
00:59:40,849 --> 00:59:39,059
is there therefore people are seeing it

1590
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,859
now I would suggest that the other

1591
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,020
possibility goes back to the folklore

1592
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,640
evolves because the things are there to

1593
00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:45,839
begin with

1594
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,700
right the folklore is evolving around

1595
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:49,380
the fact that these things exist because

1596
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:52,980
often what folklore is is our is

1597
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,500
a an ex it's an attempt to explain a

1598
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:57,540
phenomena that's being encountered

1599
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,880
and it's born out of you know there's a

1600
01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:01,799
lack of data there is a phenomena there

1601
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:05,099
but they're trying to explain that so I

1602
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:08,220
think that's why I tend I tend to lean

1603
01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:09,900
towards the idea that maybe the reason

1604
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:12,540
the folklore and some of these Cryptids

1605
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,760
sort of coincide an area in particular

1606
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:16,980
areas is because the creature is there

1607
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,079
and that's why the folklore involved but

1608
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,240
to your point to your earlier and I

1609
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:22,559
think the most important part is why are

1610
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,900
we seeing a very distinctive

1611
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:27,000
abundance of some of these contacts

1612
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,980
coming out of Texas Utah you know sort

1613
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:30,240
of the desert you know sort of the

1614
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,520
desert area for the United States

1615
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,280
honestly for at least the

1616
01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:37,079
pterosaurs I've been able to serve you

1617
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,460
know stories I've been able to collect

1618
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:41,040
and which is the south southern Oklahoma

1619
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:43,140
Northern Texas region

1620
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:45,240
honestly it looks like there's a a

1621
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,819
migratory pattern from what I'm seeing

1622
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:49,200
because there does seem to be a

1623
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:50,400
connection particularly for the again

1624
01:00:54,349 --> 01:00:53,160
specifically the ram fractoid types that

1625
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:54,359
I saw

1626
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,980
they seem to Glide

1627
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,900
which means they want updrafts they want

1628
01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:00,180
Hills again we're I've got numerous

1629
01:01:03,170 --> 01:01:01,200
sightings

1630
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,180
in the creek where I was well the creek

1631
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:05,520
that I was in you know it's 10 15 feet

1632
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,780
deep it's it's got very steep sides uh

1633
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:12,359
because it's in the Limestone Bedrock of

1634
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,240
North Texas so there's air currents

1635
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:16,799
there and it does seem like these things

1636
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:20,400
are using them to move and to Glide and

1637
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:24,420
to fly and to gain altitude uh Crosbyton

1638
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,799
Texas there's a whole but you know you

1639
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,780
go out to deep West Texas again you've

1640
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:29,520
got a lot of Ravines you've got a lot of

1641
01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:33,420
you know High Peaks from to sort of take

1642
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,579
off and glide there does seem to be a

1643
01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:38,160
migratory pattern from you know sort of

1644
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,400
the doubt the DFW area out west and

1645
01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:43,280
they're moving sort of Southern Oklahoma

1646
01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:46,760
out towards you know Colorado Arizona

1647
01:01:52,490 --> 01:01:50,099
area there's a definitive sort of

1648
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:52,500
pathway there and that matches up with

1649
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:54,660
like we see with the Rio Grande Valley a

1650
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:57,240
lot of you know steep Cliffs and areas

1651
01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:59,160
not all the way necessarily down to San

1652
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,839
Antonio like and we do have accounts

1653
01:02:04,609 --> 01:02:02,400
coming out of you know places that are

1654
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,619
less uh sort of rugged and trying but

1655
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:06,240
again you have a lot of that kind of

1656
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:09,540
similar topography and that seems to be

1657
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,579
something that they like that seems to

1658
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:14,160
be sort of connected to their uh to

1659
01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:16,260
their gliding patterns

1660
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,420
that would be my that's my current

1661
01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:20,760
hypothesis is that we're seeing a

1662
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:22,140
migratory pattern they're sticking to

1663
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:24,540
areas that perhaps for the smaller ones

1664
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:27,599
at least it aids in their ability to fly

1665
01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:30,540
to survive honestly going back to Ron's

1666
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,059
point one things I'm looking for is I'm

1667
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:35,280
looking for dead juveniles

1668
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:37,380
because with reptiles they don't Nest

1669
01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:39,780
like birds do right they they're serve

1670
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:42,359
they just move like sea turtles but I do

1671
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:43,559
think they're they're coming back to

1672
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,420
this area to breed and which means

1673
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:47,280
there's going to be a bunch of baby

1674
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:48,660
pterosaurs running around that aren't

1675
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:50,339
going to make it

1676
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,720
so that's what I'm looking for I'm

1677
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:54,240
looking for those that you know got you

1678
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:55,380
know they got out there and then they

1679
01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:56,940
just didn't make it it was you know they

1680
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,440
were just a little too weak but that

1681
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,000
they're they're using these creeks and

1682
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:01,920
these other topographies to

1683
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:05,940
to Nest to hide into to fly to sort of

1684
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:08,700
get that updraft

1685
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:17,150
stated Jason as always I'd like to make

1686
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,140
a form two hypotheses based on my

1687
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,559
research of wing Cryptids for years

1688
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:24,480
um with regard to the Zoological reality

1689
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:26,520
of these two different archetypes that

1690
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:27,720
we're talking about

1691
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,700
in terms of living pterosaurs and

1692
01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:30,960
Jason's right there are a lot of

1693
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:32,940
consistencies in the eyewitnesses that

1694
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,040
I've interviewed through the years it's

1695
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:37,680
not generally the giant 20 to 30 foot

1696
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:40,079
pterodactyl that people Envision but

1697
01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:41,700
it's usually more like the six to eight

1698
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,040
foot wingspan of something more like a

1699
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,559
large ramprankus type with the the

1700
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:48,960
distinctive tail

1701
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,839
um I think if those things exist they

1702
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:54,240
have to have a primary

1703
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,920
I would assume they would have a primary

1704
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:57,839
habitat where they're probably seen less

1705
01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:59,819
often and that the ones that we're

1706
01:04:05,089 --> 01:04:01,980
seeing elsewhere in North America are

1707
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,099
essentially wandering or migrating on

1708
01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:07,440
different routes as Jason suggests and I

1709
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,940
think the most likely

1710
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:11,160
location that these things hypothetic

1711
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:13,559
hypothetically would exist primarily

1712
01:04:19,069 --> 01:04:14,940
would exist would be in the mountains of

1713
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,079
Mexico and I think you can actually I uh

1714
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,540
years ago I corresponded with a

1715
01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:23,280
cryptozoologist named Richard Greenwell

1716
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:25,619
from the old International Society of

1717
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:28,559
cryptozoology and he told me that he had

1718
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:30,920
contacts in Mexico in eastern Mexico

1719
01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:33,720
that had a lot of pterosaur sightings

1720
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:35,700
and then you could certainly go back and

1721
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:37,980
look at like some of the the reliefs on

1722
01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:41,460
some of the Aztec Ruins at teoticon and

1723
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,559
stuff that have kind of weird almost

1724
01:04:48,010 --> 01:04:45,839
pterosaur looking things on there

1725
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,020
the mountains of Mexico I've been there

1726
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:51,119
very remote uh they have the elevation

1727
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:53,160
that Jason's talking about in terms of

1728
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,780
something that you know was going to be

1729
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:56,220
taking advantage of after apps and

1730
01:04:59,150 --> 01:04:57,900
things so and if you look at the

1731
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:59,160
migration patterns and that would

1732
01:05:02,589 --> 01:05:00,660
explain why there seemed to be more

1733
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:02,599
sightings I think of the living

1734
01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:06,240
pterosaurs in the Southwest Texas New

1735
01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:08,280
Mexico Arizona and then kind of as he

1736
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:10,920
said kind of drifting North from there

1737
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:13,920
in terms of The Feathered Thunderbirds

1738
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:16,680
the territoring types I think the most

1739
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:19,740
likely again you hypothetically you

1740
01:05:23,450 --> 01:05:21,480
would have to have kind of a base of

1741
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,460
operations for any species like that

1742
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:25,200
yeah because there have to have

1743
01:05:28,270 --> 01:05:27,000
sufficient breeding numbers that are

1744
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:28,280
staying hidden

1745
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:32,280
and lo and behold over the past 20 years

1746
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,260
I seem to be getting more Thunderbird

1747
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:36,480
reports from Alaska

1748
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:39,660
and yeah Rocky Mountains and the Boreal

1749
01:05:44,329 --> 01:05:42,119
force of Northern Canada and again it

1750
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,339
makes sense biologically because if you

1751
01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:46,799
had a surviving lineage of territorins

1752
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,859
or giant Birds uh they would certainly

1753
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,079
be able to adapt to those high

1754
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:53,760
elevations I mean you got 37 mountain

1755
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:56,760
ranges in Alaska take your pick

1756
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,599
um

1757
01:06:01,309 --> 01:05:59,760
and also you know you've got bergman's

1758
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:01,319
row which dictates that they would you

1759
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:03,240
know a big bird would do really well in

1760
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:05,700
cold weather because it could kind of

1761
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,400
you know tolerate the cold temperatures

1762
01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:10,799
and so forth so I I don't know I think

1763
01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:12,599
if these things do exist I don't think

1764
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,040
that there would be like it doesn't make

1765
01:06:17,569 --> 01:06:15,599
sense illogically that there would be an

1766
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:17,579
equal distribution all across the

1767
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:18,660
continent and all these different

1768
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:21,299
diverse habitats moreover it would be

1769
01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:23,040
something that they are concentrated in

1770
01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:24,900
more of a remote area

1771
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,760
and that you know

1772
01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,039
they obviously they can fly so they can

1773
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,619
travel across the country and you know

1774
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,119
you have these transient individuals

1775
01:06:37,069 --> 01:06:34,799
like that uh

1776
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:37,079
Stellar sea eagle that migrated from

1777
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:38,760
Siberia to

1778
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:41,520
New England and Canada last year you

1779
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,559
know so I mean yeah yep so I don't know

1780
01:06:46,849 --> 01:06:44,880
that's that makes the most sense

1781
01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:46,859
zoologically if we're trying to you know

1782
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:48,059
going to accept either of those

1783
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:49,380
possibilities

1784
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:51,000
yeah you know you you talked about

1785
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:52,920
Alaska and of course you did your series

1786
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:55,760
up there did you see any indication that

1787
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:59,760
these type of Relic type birds or maybe

1788
01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:01,079
up there

1789
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,299
well not specifically on that show but

1790
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:05,280
I've been over the past 20 years I can

1791
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,380
say I've gotten more

1792
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:09,119
well say I haven't gotten the most

1793
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:10,980
Thunderbird reports from Alaska but

1794
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,380
proportionate to the population density

1795
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:16,200
there which is we know there's only 700

1796
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:18,359
000 people in that entire massive vast

1797
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,839
state but I get a lot of Thunderbird

1798
01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:23,280
reports from there and in fact the most

1799
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:25,980
recent Thunderbird flap if you will from

1800
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:29,640
2018 happened up there in your Juno when

1801
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:31,619
several people claim they saw this giant

1802
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,920
15 20-foot wingspan type of bird and

1803
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,480
then you know go back before that and

1804
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:38,160
everyone's heard about the the Alaskan

1805
01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:40,020
Bush pilot John Bowker that I was

1806
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:43,319
fighting in 2002 and Moses cookchak and

1807
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:45,059
some of those other folks up there but

1808
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,559
I've been getting a lot of reports from

1809
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:48,660
Alaska over the past 20 years

1810
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:51,240
in proportion to the population I mean I

1811
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:52,440
do get them from everywhere Illinois

1812
01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:55,520
still produces a lot Pennsylvania Texas

1813
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:58,200
but you know Alaska seems to be doing

1814
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,819
very well and again

1815
01:08:02,750 --> 01:08:01,440
you know you could make a pretty good

1816
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:02,760
argument that that would be the best

1817
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,500
habitat for

1818
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,240
you know in terms of the main population

1819
01:08:11,150 --> 01:08:08,940
of a giant type of acceptorate a Raptor

1820
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:11,160
and that they're just kind of migrating

1821
01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:12,420
out of there

1822
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,819
well into your in to your point again

1823
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:17,040
when it comes to the feathered ones you

1824
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,420
know these you know something that would

1825
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:21,359
be large and feathered you know we have

1826
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,219
Eagles that we've tried going thousands

1827
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:25,920
upon thousands of miles these things are

1828
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:28,140
supposedly much larger which would lend

1829
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:30,299
to them being able to go much further

1830
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,100
the further north you go the bigger

1831
01:08:36,769 --> 01:08:34,319
everything gets to survive to survive

1832
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:36,779
the cold so the fact that these that a

1833
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,719
lot of these larger feathered Cryptids

1834
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,239
are seen in Northern climates also

1835
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,400
tracks to your point and we have to

1836
01:08:48,169 --> 01:08:45,839
remember like you said Alaska very very

1837
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,179
small population Canada Canada has like

1838
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,000
30 million people living in it and the

1839
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,560
bulk of those are basically living in

1840
01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:55,920
some in the major cities there's a lot

1841
01:09:00,169 --> 01:08:58,380
of Canada that goes it's basically

1842
01:09:01,849 --> 01:09:00,179
uninhabited there's a lot of America

1843
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:01,859
that's actually uninhabited you just

1844
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:03,540
look at it from space all those little

1845
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:04,739
Points of Light those are the cities

1846
01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:06,540
where everybody lives the rest of it's

1847
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:08,279
open

1848
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:10,440
you know even here in Texas seven

1849
01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:12,060
million people in the DFW area but you

1850
01:09:15,289 --> 01:09:13,739
look at it from satellite it's almost

1851
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:15,299
all green

1852
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:19,080
we live in very very dense areas so

1853
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,940
there's a lot more space for some of

1854
01:09:24,169 --> 01:09:22,560
these very you know it's easy for us to

1855
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:24,179
say oh well there's too many people for

1856
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,940
these things to go unnoticed yeah no no

1857
01:09:31,130 --> 01:09:28,799
there's not a but there's not there's a

1858
01:09:33,709 --> 01:09:31,140
lot more open space than we think

1859
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,719
it's just you know there's there's a lot

1860
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:35,040
of human arrogance we can't have to get

1861
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,540
we have to get past on that but yeah I'm

1862
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:37,920
right there with Ken really on The

1863
01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:39,000
Feathered ones I think the northern

1864
01:09:42,169 --> 01:09:40,859
climates Alaska Canada is a great place

1865
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,179
for them to be

1866
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,920
and the Rockies I've been getting a lot

1867
01:09:46,610 --> 01:09:45,359
of oh yeah in the Rockies yeah I've been

1868
01:09:48,189 --> 01:09:46,620
getting a lot of sightings Lately from

1869
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,199
like the Eastern Rockies Colorado

1870
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:50,400
Wyoming Montana

1871
01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:52,679
all the way down to New Mexico

1872
01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:54,120
yeah but I agree with you gentlemen

1873
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:56,100
definitely not the Chestnut Ridge that's

1874
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:57,900
the area in my you know my neck of the

1875
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,580
woods where so many of these sightings

1876
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:01,860
are occurring then we reach a maximum

1877
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:05,160
height of around 3 000 feet so and and

1878
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,080
it's very rolling and it's uh you know

1879
01:10:12,590 --> 01:10:09,780
about third growth forest on there just

1880
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:12,600
not in adequate habitat for a very large

1881
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:13,980
flying

1882
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:16,440
Krypton

1883
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:19,080
but then again we get sightings there

1884
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:22,020
all the time we do all the time that's

1885
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:24,300
why whenever I started off the show I

1886
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:25,199
think so much of them are

1887
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:27,420
misidentification but again as I said

1888
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,340
also you know what do you do with that

1889
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:32,000
five or ten percent that is not

1890
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:34,620
misidentification yeah we have to

1891
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:35,940
address that in some way if these are

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Lucid people uh making right you know uh

1893
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,640
uh so I mean what is going on and again

1894
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at the end of the day guys we always

1895
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:46,500
have to put a little bit of woo into our

1896
01:11:00,830 --> 01:10:57,610
back to sort of the earlier Point again

1897
01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:00,840
this is where someone sees something for

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30 10 seconds 30 seconds a minute two

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minutes

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what they have they have observed

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something it's being filtered through

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their perception their expectations

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01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:13,980
and all they can say is this is what I

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01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:16,199
saw that doesn't mean that they know

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01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:17,880
what it is they actually saw did they

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01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:20,460
see a naturally existing territory or

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01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,260
did they see something Supernatural that

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01:11:27,169 --> 01:11:25,440
had feathers right again can I know

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01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:27,179
we've all got stories of things like

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01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,820
gargoyles honestly that's the weird like

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01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:31,440
once I started getting gargoyle stories

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01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:33,179
stories I was like okay I didn't I never

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01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,400
expected to run across this in my it's

1914
01:11:40,669 --> 01:11:37,679
like I was I was prepared for pterosaurs

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01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:40,679
Sasquatch and like demons and stuff and

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01:11:43,610 --> 01:11:42,300
ghosts and then also I'm getting I'm

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01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,620
getting stuff I'm like what am I doing

1918
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,600
with this with this like what's you know

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01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:47,520
what do you how do you how do you it's

1920
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:49,260
like gargoyles what what do you do with

1921
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:51,239
that but I I think one of those things

1922
01:11:55,610 --> 01:11:52,920
we have to kind of remember is okay

1923
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,620
someone sees a large The Feathered thing

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01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,360
okay did they see a territory or did

1925
01:12:01,790 --> 01:12:00,239
they see a lechuza you know they may not

1926
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:01,800
even know what it is they actually saw

1927
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:04,380
all they know is I saw this described

1928
01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:06,300
this thing that I am describing to you

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01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:08,460
and that's all they've got I think it's

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01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,100
very we get as researchers it's very

1931
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:12,960
easy for us to get lost in well they

1932
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:15,659
said they saw a windigo or they saw a

1933
01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:17,400
giant bird and that's what the category

1934
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,320
we put it in we have to remember they

1935
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:20,640
don't actually know what it is they saw

1936
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:22,140
they just saw something that that's

1937
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,189
yeah to Jason's point it's Ron's turn

1938
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:30,480
probably but I've been kind of throwing

1939
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,699
this curveball into every conference and

1940
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:34,080
Gathering that I've been at this year

1941
01:12:38,030 --> 01:12:36,360
but uh earlier this year earlier in the

1942
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:38,040
year I had the honor of having dinner

1943
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:39,960
with a brilliant neuroscientist from New

1944
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:41,640
Orleans and he was just kind of casually

1945
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,600
fascinated in all this stuff and uh what

1946
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:48,000
he told me was that you know after

1947
01:12:52,729 --> 01:12:50,000
Decades of research

1948
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:52,739
neuroscientists still have no idea how

1949
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:54,540
the human mind works they really don't

1950
01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:56,520
it's a total that's the real mystery

1951
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:58,199
here I think Ron's gonna enjoy kind of

1952
01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:59,940
to be backing off of this so that's the

1953
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:01,500
real mystery is how does our mind work

1954
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,320
and so you know that's kind of The X

1955
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:06,239
Factor in discussing all this stuff and

1956
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,980
that goes back to what these my

1957
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,120
colleagues the points they're making

1958
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:12,000
about perspective and perception and you

1959
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,719
know

1960
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,460
um certainly I I'm an advocate that

1961
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:16,320
there are undiscovered animal species

1962
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,780
remarkable species out there but there's

1963
01:13:23,689 --> 01:13:21,360
a a probably a substantial portion of

1964
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:23,699
this phenomenon that can be attributed

1965
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:28,320
to psychological or God forbid woo you

1966
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:29,699
know if that's what you want to call it

1967
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,219
things things beyond our current

1968
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:34,380
understanding

1969
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:36,360
can I can I just make a plea for all my

1970
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,760
for all my woo friends out there can you

1971
01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:40,800
can y'all come up with a different term

1972
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,840
because only Ric Flair should be able to

1973
01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:44,460
get away with that that's all I'm saying

1974
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,420
yeah for that that phrase myself because

1975
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:50,340
it does sound a bit

1976
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,739
I don't know I just expect player to

1977
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:54,480
show I just expect like every time I say

1978
01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:55,860
it I'm like I'm just waiting for Ric

1979
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:58,380
Flair to show up and beat my and beat me

1980
01:14:02,090 --> 01:14:00,300
into a vote for stealing his catchphrase

1981
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:02,100
it's like dude I just don't want to get

1982
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,199
beat up by a guy in in Sparkles that's

1983
01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:07,199
all I want you know who came up with a

1984
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:09,540
great idea called woo Brew I would drink

1985
01:14:13,130 --> 01:14:11,100
that Vincent I think he should already

1986
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,140
patent that I think we should put out a

1987
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:14,880
big can of wubrow

1988
01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:16,260
I think a lot of people are already

1989
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:17,080
drinking it

1990
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:20,580
[Laughter]

1991
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:21,659
is

1992
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,159
yeah

1993
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:25,440
you know honestly each one of us has

1994
01:14:30,350 --> 01:14:27,239
heard so many things that have come from

1995
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,360
so many different people it comes to a

1996
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:32,159
point where it's kind of hard to ignore

1997
01:14:38,350 --> 01:14:34,860
some of this stuff uh even is

1998
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:38,360
Fantastical as it seems

1999
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:43,610
well guys um

2000
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,380
I'm gonna go around the horn here and uh

2001
01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:49,080
give us give the audience an update how

2002
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,199
they can contact you uh where they can

2003
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,540
find you and what you have coming up in

2004
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,820
the near future uh Ken let's start with

2005
01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:57,840
you

2006
01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:02,400
online I always enjoying together with

2007
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:04,199
you and communing with my my good

2008
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:05,640
friends and colleagues here talking

2009
01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:08,040
about this stuff uh yeah I don't have

2010
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:10,260
too much going on at the moment um you

2011
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:11,460
know kind of doing some preliminary

2012
01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:13,380
research on a couple of book projects

2013
01:15:18,770 --> 01:15:16,380
and uh I believe that I will be on the

2014
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:18,780
History Channel in about 45 minutes on

2015
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,760
the the newest episode of

2016
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:22,560
or one of the newer episodes of

2017
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:23,940
unexplained with William Shatner

2018
01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:26,280
episodes real monsters

2019
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,199
I don't remember if we talked about a

2020
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:29,760
lot of wing Cryptids on there but that

2021
01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:31,380
was a kind of a fun show that we covered

2022
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,920
a lot of of fun Cryptids and I also am a

2023
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:36,480
regular contributor on the proof is out

2024
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:38,940
there which uh also is on the History

2025
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:41,340
Channel on Friday nights and it's hard

2026
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:43,560
to miss you on TV man I'm telling you I

2027
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:46,020
I you know every time I see something

2028
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,300
come up I say ah you know I might I

2029
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:49,920
don't watch a whole lot of paranormal TV

2030
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:53,520
or crypto TV but I I think I think Ken

2031
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:56,400
is on over half of what I what I peruse

2032
01:16:01,010 --> 01:15:59,520
so uh yeah well I guess I don't suck too

2033
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:01,020
bad so

2034
01:16:05,390 --> 01:16:03,239
um anyways I can be contacted on my

2035
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:05,400
website kenge.com I'm also all over

2036
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:08,100
social media Facebook Twitter Instagram

2037
01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:11,400
and I have a YouTube channel

2038
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:13,980
great and and you Jason

2039
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,280
uh yeah uh sirupapers.com like that's in

2040
01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:18,840
the little doobly-doo right there is the

2041
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:20,520
I need to update it because I'm on

2042
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,739
Untold radio I am every Tuesday Now with

2043
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:25,199
uh Dean Dr Dean Bertram a mysterious

2044
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:27,540
library but again Texas front porch Tex

2045
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,360
apostrophe s front porch on YouTube uh

2046
01:16:34,850 --> 01:16:32,640
all the links to emails and things are

2047
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:34,860
in the doobly-doo below but uh worst

2048
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:37,080
case scenario cirruspapers.com has got

2049
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:39,860
all the links perfect perfect

2050
01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:43,080
you can see me doing awkward dance moves

2051
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,040
on Tick Tock um

2052
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,239
I haven't seen that but I'm gonna look

2053
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,360
for it yeah you know um I have a couple

2054
01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:54,000
books coming out in 2023 one is on Earth

2055
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:57,060
lights uh the other one is a uh uh

2056
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,460
haunted tour of Gettysburg which is a

2057
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:01,860
Family Guy to uh ghost hunting in

2058
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,719
Gettysburg which I'm looking forward to

2059
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,640
putting out but before I go I gotta say

2060
01:17:10,010 --> 01:17:08,280
hello to a couple people more uh Marvel

2061
01:17:11,570 --> 01:17:10,020
Snyder who asked a couple questions I

2062
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,580
haven't seen her for about eight years I

2063
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,920
met her up at a uh a conference up in

2064
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,080
Scranton uh Pennsylvania I wanted to say

2065
01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:18,239
hello to her cat Ward as well too and of

2066
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,040
course uh lady Ann is in the building

2067
01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:21,840
tonight so I just wanted to say hello to

2068
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:24,060
those three people before uh before uh

2069
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:26,520
we get off here because uh I enjoy them

2070
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:29,400
very much yeah Marlo's local she's in

2071
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:31,140
York I think so she's not far from

2072
01:17:35,689 --> 01:17:33,659
Gettysburg yeah I'm just down the road

2073
01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:35,699
so yeah yeah it's been years since I've

2074
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,040
seen her hmm

2075
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,080
okay guys well thanks so much for coming

2076
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:42,960
on appreciate it and uh I always look

2077
01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:44,280
forward to having you come on here

2078
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:45,719
especially with these round tables

2079
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,480
they're always fairly interesting and uh

2080
01:17:53,590 --> 01:17:50,640
I know the the audience appreciates when

2081
01:17:55,970 --> 01:17:53,600
you come come on so thanks again

2082
01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:55,980
thank you

2083
01:17:59,810 --> 01:17:57,780
you take care and we'll we'll talk soon

2084
01:18:02,689 --> 01:17:59,820
have a great weekend thank you folks

2085
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:05,209
now if you have a cidering counter

2086
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,780
report that you'd like to be considered

2087
01:18:11,689 --> 01:18:08,880
for the personal report show or even for

2088
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:11,699
the fans of monsters blog feel free to

2089
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,020
email me at launch

2090
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:18,770
um I want to again thank uh Ken Gerhart

2091
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:21,600
uh Ron Murphy and Jason McLean for

2092
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:23,940
joining me this evening and thanks to

2093
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,260
each and all you for watching and

2094
01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:27,120
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2096
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:32,040
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2097
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:34,940
please like subscribe share and comment

2098
01:18:41,570 --> 01:18:39,659
uh now uh next Wednesday I believe and

2099
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:41,580
I'm pretty sure we're going to have a

2100
01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:45,300
live personal report show and uh I think

2101
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:48,060
if I do that Vincent's going to Premiere

2102
01:18:53,330 --> 01:18:51,480
his show V on there as well so uh stay

2103
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:53,340
tuned we'll be sending I'll be sending

2104
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:56,159
out notices and uh

2105
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,260
you know he should be up on the blog and

2106
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:00,719
everywhere else so uh look forward to

2107
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:03,900
that so uh next Friday my guest will be

2108
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:06,719
my friend Exorcist and deliverance

2109
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:09,840
Minister Bill Bean will be discussing

2110
01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:13,080
his new book Tales from an exorcist uh

2111
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,940
from the Case Files of Reverend William

2112
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:16,560
J bean

2113
01:19:21,169 --> 01:19:19,020
and stay tuned for Bernadette McDaniels

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01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:21,179
a paranormal life here on fans of

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